E-Mails:

"I cam across your Hummel Family Tree...My grandmother Katharina Hummel married Peter Gierg in St. Michael's in Sackelhausen.  Ahe was Katharina Hummel.  My great granparents were Peter Hummel and Katherina Goetz (Gotz).  My one aunt married an Andrew Goetz from Sackelhausen.  There wer married in St. louis ...after they arrived in America.  My Granmother had two sisters in Sackelhausen.  One was Suzanne.... who married Nikolas Schneider.  The other married a Mr. Furi...I know there were a lot of Hummels, Goetzs and Eglers in Sackelhausen. I live in St. Louis and am working on the family trees. My mother came from Billed.  By grandmother also had a brother John Hummel who married Barbara Hummel.  They are buried in a cenetary here in St. Louis.  The two sisters, as much as I know, never came to America. ...The pcitures of the person inside the Hummel home brings back memories of my gradmother's home...."

20 July 1999:

"I will have copes of the three alters inside St. Michael for you....I have a huge chart of the Hummel families that my cousin gave me. It has one of the names on it that you have on your list. It is Joseph Hummmel married to Anna Marie Mutch...."

12 Oct. 1999

"It looks like we are related.  My information maes Anton Goetz my fifth generation grandfather.....Anton Gotz was born in 1710...."

13 Oct

"...I have a Sackelhausen Familie Book...."

13 Oct 1999

"...I guess the 1998 book is still available.  The address is:  Michael Kippi, Thuringer Str. 5, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany...I have a picture of John Hummel and Barbara Klein and 6 of their 8 children in front of their house in Sackelhausen....  John Hummel b. 19 Jan 1868 d. 23 June 1948..... John's wife was Barbara Kelin from Billed.  b. 17 June 1871 d. 21 Feb 1955.  Both buried in St. Louis.     .....heard from...Theresia Weber who was a Hummel.  Her father was Nicholas and her mother was Margaret Filipi or Filippi.  She was going on about a Nancy in Chicago..... I remember reading about a Nancy on your page is the same person...  Theresia mentioned the names Rosenaour and Morh.  She is in that line.....

Gert"

Letter:

Gen. 1

Katharina Hummel b. 20 Aug 1866 d. 20 Feb 1942 St. Louis, MO, dau. of Johann Goetz*  m. Peter Gier b. 10 March 1861 d. 27 Sept 1924 St. Louis, MO

Gen. 2

Peter Hummel b. 17 Feb 1838 Sackelhausen d. 16 Jan. or Feb. of 1897 m. Katharina Pesch or Besch b. 27 Feb 1820 d. 7 Dec 1889 Sackelhausen

See Letter dated Feb 2002

Judy A. Remmick-Hubert's Note: This is the names she sent and how I placeds them in the family tree:

Gen. 5 [se above]

Child6: .Joseph Hummel,  son of  Joseph Hummel and Anna Schneider,   m..  to Anna Marie Mutsch.  Issue:

1. Joseph Hummel m. Barbara Schneider. Issue:
   • Konrad Hummel m.  Anna Marie Grundler. Issue: 
     • Jacob Hummel m. Katharina Rosenauer. Issue:
       • Michael Hummel m. Anna Mohr. Migr. to USA in 1904 to Chicago, Ill. USA.  Issue:
         • Michael Hummel.  Issue:
           • Nancy Hummel and source of this family in a letter dated 28 Dec. 1998

Person no longer wishes to be idenitfied.  Contact Remmick@aol.com for farther information.  [No reason was given.]

Best Regards,Mrs. Judy A. Remmick-Hubert;

Accidentally, searching something else, I visited your Web Site. Because we know well some of your ancestors, I took the liberty to make some short comments on:

1] Johan Hubert m. Suzanne Jost

b. 1852 Serbish-St. Peter

In fact, Johan Hubert was b. 9.08.1852 in Razz St. Peter=RSP/ Banat and will

M 14.01.1877 in Periam with Suzanne Jost [B 27.11.1851, daughter of Paul & Margaretha Focht]. Johan will D on 22.10.1912 in Banat.

Johan was the son of Peter Johan Hubert [B 5.06.1819 in RSP] which M 4.08.1851 in RSP with Elisabeth Schuch [B 15.04.1822 in RSP]. Johan had a brother [Adam, B~1854 in RSP] which will M on 21.09.1878 with A. M. Hollerpach.

Johan Hubert & Elisabeth Schuch had 6 children:

-Marianna

-Katharina

-Johann

-Mathias will emigrate to USA [for Cincinnati trough Baltimore on MS Hannover] will M 11.01.1912 with Josepha Hummel and will D 14.07.1947 in Chicago

-Barbara

-Stefan

We have info on the Hubert family until 1744 in Germany [ie their place of origin] and some info up to date on this family with a history of almost 250 years in Banat. But you probably have them too .

2] Anna Maria Kühn [Khin/Kuehn] b. 26 Dec 1809 or 18.03.1811? This is the question because:

Anna Maria Khin m1. 8.02.1829 with Peter Wagner [B 29.08.1808] is listed as b. 26.12.1809 [page 628; entrance no 3561]; and her second m. 12.07.1829 with Johann Georg Götz [entrance no. 0664].

But at entrance no. 0664 is Goecz Andreas & Wagner Anna Maria [b. 6.05.1780]; there is no Johann Georg Götz listed at page 115-116-117; and at the second marriage of Anna Maria Kühn with Johan [Evang.=Evangelisat; but this is not a name! It is only to know after which Joannes the child was baptized] Goetz [b. 28 Dec 1807], the birth date for Anna Maria is given as 18.03.1811. But at page 281, entrance no. 1618 there are even bigger "problems" and the "mess" is complete:

-2 children with the same name [Anna Maria], for the same couple [ Johann Kühn & Anna Maria Buchheit], living in the same period of time [starting 1816]; this is not possible !

-the Anna Maria b. 18.03.1811 is listed as being m1. with Peter Wagner and m2. with Johann Ev. Gotz.

Children:

Lorenz Goetz b. 18 March 1837 [is, in fact, 1831!] Sacklehausen

m. 17.06.1850 to Margaret Karl [b. 16 June 1833, Sacklehausen]

do Nicholaus Karl & Barbara Hoffman

Margaretha Goetz b. 2 Sept 1834 d. 14 Aug 1841 [as Margaretha!]

Andreas Goetz b. 1 March 1836

Katharina Goetz b. 11 Oct 1839

Anton Goetz b. 22.02.1841, d. 23.11.1916

Mathias b. 22 Aug 1843

Johann Goetz b. 29 April 1846

a.. B 17.09.1857, LAURENTIUS, so LAURENTIUS GÖTZ & MARGARETHA KARL, H 285, PNCC: LAURENTIUS SZIND, GERTRUD GÖTZ.

a.. D 23.05.1856, NICOLAUS KARL, plebeus, married with BARBARA HOFFMAN, H 629, 55y, phtysis.

[this info is probably new for you; the D of BARBARA HOFFMAN is still a mystery]

3] Comment on the entrance existing in Sacalaz familienbuch [page 118; 0674A]:

a.. Gotz, Lorenz

B 18.03.1831

M 17.06.1850, S

Karl Margaretha ? wohl/probable Barbara! [entrance no. 1279.4 at page 222]

B 16.05.1833 do Nicholaus Karl & Barbara Hoffmann.

The author of Sacalaz familienbuch sustains that no Margaretha Karl is to be B in Sacalaz.

The problem is that the author did a mistake because Barbara [b. 16.05.1833] will:

a.. D 5.06.1856, BARBARA KARL, 22y [B~1834], do NICOLAI KARL & BARBARA HOFMAN, unmarried daughter, H 269.

So, who is Margaretha Karl? Possible answers [without checking in the original church records!]:

1.. a relative of Nicolaus Karl [but not her daughter!]

2.. a daughter of Nicolaus Karl because [see page 222 in Sacalaz familienbuch] between 1829 [when Jacob is B] and 1833 [when Barbara is B] there are 4 years for the couple without any child; to long and unusual! If you will analyze the years when the children of Nicolaus Karl are to be B you will see that these are B from 2y in 2y. And because there is a "empty" place in 1831.Please note that the child's [Margaretha Barbara?] births not necessarily occurred in Sacalaz.

Best Regards,

Person no longer wishes to be idenitfied. Contact Remmick@aol.com for farther information.

JARH Note: Still trying to discover the correct ancestors and feel the letter above isn't completely correct nor are the letters from Krammer who was working on earlier records before he accomplished his books on family history for Perjamosch and Sackelhausen.  With the help of family records, memories, letters, and books, I hope to discover the correct ancestors.  In time I will produce several web pages showing how I arrived with my conclusions.  If you have different view, please, let me know. 

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